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Post by thunderstRuck on Nov 6, 2008 20:46:36 GMT -5
How difficult would it be to have wiseco (?) do a thicker head gasket. Most of the people doing this work are probaly nt experienced engine builders. Seems like it would solve a few problems.
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Post by smartbomb on Nov 7, 2008 11:26:05 GMT -5
Cometic makes Chanitos gasket. The thin gasket is really good for performance.
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Post by haga888 on Nov 9, 2008 19:58:20 GMT -5
smartbomb: This time I will be taking it to a shop to get it machined. if you're looking for a good shop, look up Z1 Cycletech in Markham (Bayview and 7). Zaid has built every one of my racebikes, tuned for Michael Taylor, Andrew Nelson, and may others (if you're into racing you'll know who they are, if you're not, they're national level pro riders who have won races), and has an in-house machine shop. and my ruckus is there now getting a big bore done. so he'll know what the inside of the motor looks like. he does top-notch work and has an impeccable reputation for building fast engines and light bikes.
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Post by andr01dm on Nov 10, 2008 5:52:29 GMT -5
I'll give 'em a call. Thank you. I'm also considering taking it to Bondi Engines. (http://www.bondiengines.com/home.php)
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Post by andr01dm on Nov 10, 2008 6:07:03 GMT -5
Dropped the engine out of my Ruckus this weekend, took it apart and have the pieces ready to be machined. Just have to pick a shop and get the parts to them.. I'm planning to work from home tomorrow and do a 1/2 day so I can rent a car and drive the parts where ever they have to go.
I don't know how long it will take to get the work done. A couple of weeks if my experience with getting the cylinder bored is any indication. It's not really an issue.. after so many weeks sans bike I'm no longer feeling any need to rush. If I have it running again by Spring I'll be pleased.. well.. less annoyed with myself anyway.
I've also ordered sets of gaskets, o-rings, etc. from Honda.. four of them.. I'll just replace the whole lot since they seem to be getting a bit worn out from the repeated dismantling and re-assembling. They should arrive today or tomorrow as they are being shipped from Montreal and Vancouver.
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Post by chanito on Nov 10, 2008 15:53:12 GMT -5
How difficult would it be to have wiseco (?) do a thicker head gasket. Most of the people doing this work are probaly nt experienced engine builders. Seems like it would solve a few problems. If you read the history of the big bore (there is a 40something pages thread about it) you will discover that most people agree on going full racing with the kit, however i read that most people have a hard time with the finish for the thin gasket, so i got Cometic to make some thicker gaskets for those who want the option of using a gasket not so finicky. So if someone need an easier to use gasket just get in touch with me
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Post by andr01dm on Nov 13, 2008 13:52:26 GMT -5
I'll be picking up the cylinder and valve head tomorrow morning from the shop.. they've removed 18/1000th" total from them (4 from the cylinder, 14 from the head), which I gather is quite a lot. And that's on top of however much I removed the three times I've replaced previous head gaskets.
Does anyone know if there is there any way to tell if the compression ratio is way too high before I put it together?
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Post by chanito on Nov 13, 2008 19:04:00 GMT -5
That will require a burete (a glass pipe with measurement in it) and is way too complicated, wait until the new head gaskets arrive and i will send you one, about a week or so
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Post by andr01dm on Nov 14, 2008 6:54:34 GMT -5
That will require a burete (a glass pipe with measurement in it) and is way too complicated, wait until the new head gaskets arrive and i will send you one, about a week or so Okay, than you. :) Just lemme know what they cost and I'll PayPal it to you. I'd like to get two, just in case...
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Post by Dandy Dan on Nov 24, 2008 23:23:23 GMT -5
You could do a compression test to get a ballpark idea of your compression ratio. You can buy a compression tester for $30 at princess auto or cdn tire. Stock it's supposed to read...umm....ahh....180psi? I'm not too sure. Find out what this spec is and then compression test it to see how much higher you are.
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Post by andr01dm on Jan 11, 2009 9:21:06 GMT -5
Hello again. I've finally received some replacement parts I ordered from the local Honda Powerhouse, so I'm ready to begin rebuilding my bike's engine again. I did splurge a bit on parts: Left to right: The four gasket kits for the Ruckus, two of the new thicker head gaskets from Chanito (with one of the original thinnner ones that I've not used), a new cylinder head and a new crankcase set and also a new capbolt for the filter screen.. my old one was pretty beat up. All told it's a bit over $700 in parts. Crankcases are expensive! >.<; I just did not trust the old crankcase and cylinder head. They had some very deep tool scoring when I got them back from Bondi and it took a LOT of sanding, on a smooth plate, to remove them.. increasing the compression even more. C'est la vie. Next step is to get the new crankcase bored out to fit the Big Bore piston. (ps: I've also ordered a couple of rebound springs and will be enhancing my front forks. Can't count the number of times I've bottomed out my front wheel in the many bumps and potholes in Toronto's streets.) (pps: Would anyone be interested in a "tutorial" on how to order parts from Honda Powerhouse? It's much easier and cheaper than ordering them from an online source.)
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Post by chanito on Jan 11, 2009 10:00:53 GMT -5
That tutorial would be nice Hope everything goes well this time ;D
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Post by pounder on Jan 11, 2009 18:14:35 GMT -5
just so you know those torque wrenches at canadian tire are sometimes not calibrated properly..if you read the reviews a lot of people say this..good luck wth your build..i'm tarting mine soon too..
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Post by evilkaneval on Jan 12, 2009 7:18:07 GMT -5
ya, good luck
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Post by andr01dm on Jan 13, 2009 20:16:22 GMT -5
Thank you all for the well wishes. ^_^
This last week I've sorted out where to take my cylinder to get it bored; the same place I took it last time, Gord Bush Performance. Despite my less than stellar experience the that first time, they seem to be "the place" to get this kind of work done.
I called Z1 Cycletech and was told to go to Gord's. Apparently they don't want to do single order jobs like this.. they're more into completely tuning a bike. The man I spoke with on the phone mentioned having recently tuned a Ruckus, for "a few thousand", taking it from "2.5 HP to 5 HP". Strange.. I thought the Ruck's stock engine was 5 HP..?
I'm not going to Bondi Engines again.
Anyway. Have to book a car, drive the cylinder to Gord's and hope they do a better job with their customer service this time around. It helps that I'm not in a hurry this time. First time I wanted to get my bike back on the road ASAP, now I have months to go before I can really ride again.
On a side note: I've cleared out some room in the basement and I'm just going to bring in the rest of my Ruck. It's currently sitting in the basement parking, stripped down to just the frame, wiring and lights. If I bring it inside I can get some electrical and body work done in the comfort of my own townhouse.
Wish I lived in a full house, with an attached garage. At least I'm not in an apartment block any more. I once snuck my bike up to the 23rd floor in the elevator to give it an oil change. Try that with a Harley! ;)
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Post by andr01dm on Jan 15, 2009 17:27:21 GMT -5
This morning I drove out to Gord Bush's and dropped off the cylinder for the big bore work. Unfortunately I didn't remember to take along the piston with me so I had to drive back home and then back to the shop again, before scurrying in late to my job.
The tolerances are, apparently, so tight that they need the exact piston for the engine in order to determine the diameter to bore the cylinder to. Gord told me that because my piston is "used" it will affect the diameter they bore to. What do I know. I'll have to trust their judgement.
I'm also having the cylinder and cylinder head "decked" so they will fit together perfectly. For my previous builds I did this myself, which might be part of why I've had a string of failures.
All told it's going to cost me $200. Ouch. But having a professional with the right equipment working on my engine parts does make me feel more confidant that I'll be riding again when spring arrives. :)
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Post by andr01dm on Jan 18, 2009 17:46:21 GMT -5
Here's the current state of my bike BTW. Bits & pieces all of the place. >.<;
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Post by pounder on Jan 19, 2009 3:46:26 GMT -5
looks just like my bike and it's appendages
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Post by chanito on Jan 19, 2009 18:20:01 GMT -5
;D You keep a clean organized area, congrats ;D I would have all my engine parts all over the floor
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jan 21, 2009 11:56:13 GMT -5
winter sucks for not scooting but it is a great time for wrenching on scoots. enjoy this process! rebuilding your engine can be a great experience if you take your time and savour it. make sure you've got some good beer on hand and take your time so you're confident it's right.
do you have the beefed up head studs from chanito?
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