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Post by Jasper on Jun 10, 2006 1:16:27 GMT -5
So as a follow up after i cleaned my entire transmission including the kickstarter filled with belt dust with brake cleaner, a tapping sound sometime occur suddenly from the transmission case and continues. The sound might go away if i turn the ruck off and back on. Does anybody know whats wrong?  |
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wonderslicer
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Post by wonderslicer on Jun 10, 2006 18:33:49 GMT -5
The kick start lever lowering during driving and partially engaging the teeth? Maybe you loosened it up when you cleaned it, or reinstalled it too low in it's rotation. Is the tapping cyclical, meaning it may have to do with your variator?
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Post by chanito on Jun 10, 2006 20:30:07 GMT -5
The kick starter might be a good idea, as it might hang on a little and just barely touching the ratchet gears at the end of the crank, just to make sure put some grease on the cup teeth on the kick starter and ride it and see if the noise changes some how, that will confirm the source of the noise as the kick starter
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 11, 2006 16:29:06 GMT -5
So it just started after you cleaned the transmission case and you're sure it's coming from there?
If that's true then the kickstarter seems like a decent culprit. Try just removing it and running around to see if it's cured. If it is re-install it carefully. Other ideas include a loose variator if you didn't get the nut on tight enough or if the kickstarter washer didn't mesh on the threads right. I had this once and your variator rocks/rattles at low RPMs until it finally strips out the shaft.
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Post by Jasper on Jun 11, 2006 22:14:05 GMT -5
yea the tapping sound only occurs at idle, or else i might not hear it while moving. Its after i cleaned the transmission but i haven't touch anything else because im installing my polini later. i DID play with the variator and clutch by using my fingers to move them to see how they work. THe clutch will spin freely but the variator when pushed will recoil back to its original position when let go.
Can it be the kickstarter being too clean and no belt dust is holding it up so its slightly brushing the variator? Will there be any ill effects?
edit: its kinda gone now.....like i don't hear it anymore!
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Post by kirk on Jun 22, 2006 18:58:01 GMT -5
I got a similar problem...if it is a problem...I have a high pitch clicking sound when my ruckus is cold....when it warms up, it disappear...no link with my RPM...it seems to be where my kickstarter is but i still got a stock ruckus. Do you have any idea ? i'm near 600 miles so, as a brand new one, is it normal ?
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Post by chanito on Jun 22, 2006 20:32:42 GMT -5
 Katrina once in a while have a noise from the kickstarter, usually after a long ride, so i tap the area with my heel and it stops, i need to take it apart and lube it try spraying some WD40 on the kick start and see if it stops, if not take it to the dealer if it is still underwarranty
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 23, 2006 8:35:51 GMT -5
Welcome to Ruckus Central Kirk ;D
I was gonna say your tapping sound is probably loose valves until you said it wasn't related to RPM which rules that out. The kickstarter seems like a decent option but 600 miles is pretty soon for that to be gummed up unless you don't ride much. The kickstarter can get stuck down a bit and partially engage which may be what's causing this. Anyways, you shouldn't have to deal with this on an almost new Ruckus. I think you should take it to the dealer for warrentee.
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kirk
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Post by kirk on Jun 27, 2006 11:57:01 GMT -5
In fact it is related to RPM as higher i rev, faster it clicks....when it's warmed up, i stop it and restart it, it still doing it but for a really shorter time....i'll try to lube it....
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 27, 2006 12:14:44 GMT -5
If it's a clicking or tapping sound related to RPM then there's a good chance one or both of your valve gaps are loose. There is supposed to be a bit of gap between the end of your valves and the cam lobes that push it open so that when things heat up and expand there is still clearance. However, often these gaps can grow too big as things wear in and then you get a ticking sound which is the cam lobe smacking the valve. It's not a huge deal but your Ruckus does run better with it fixed. Generally, the ticking is the loudest at high RPMs and with a cold engine because as your engine warms up the gaps shrink and thus it gets quieter. If this sounds like your problem you'll need to get a 'feeler gauge (10$) to measure the gaps and spend an hour measuring them and then go buy different shims. To correct the gap.
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Post by kirk on Jun 28, 2006 11:56:07 GMT -5
Well it is related to rpm with speed but not with volume...as i rev higher it clicks faster but not louder....and it seems to be more under or behind the kickstart.....i'm still under warranty so i'll go to my dealer but there's a scooter meeting 8th of july so i'll go see other ruckus (hope there will be some...) to be really sure it's not my sound engineer ear that drives me crazy !
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 28, 2006 11:59:58 GMT -5
Yeah I'd take it to your dealer...no sense sweating it if someone else will do it for you.
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Post by suprtek on Jul 3, 2006 16:07:32 GMT -5
Did this problem ever get resolved? I am hearing a similar noise from mine. On mine it is definitely related to speed but I'm not sure if its related to rpm. I will attempt to describe exactly what is going on. It does sound like it is coming from the kick starter area but that can be deceiving while you are riding. It makes a clicking/tapping sound that doesn't start until I reach about 25mph. As I continue to accelerate, the noise doesn't seem to get any faster but it goes away when I get to about 35mph. I tried to put it on the center stand and run it so I could narrow it down but it must have something to do with being under load because I only heard one or two clicks when I did that. My Ruck is a 2006 with about 1200 miles. I think it has been doing this for a while and it is becoming more noticeable. I mentioned something a while back in another thread because I thought it might be coming from the center stand. If I had to guess, I would say this has something to do with the variator because of the way it corresponds with certain speeds. I have not taken anything apart yet. I was hoping someone might have some ideas. The only other thing that might be worth mentioning is the fact that I am probably pushing the weight limit of the scoot. Me and my cargo weigh around 230.
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Post by chanito on Jul 3, 2006 21:24:25 GMT -5
Maybe is related to the variator as it is a piece of bent metal that moves and it is where the rollers are, try putting some grease on that plate where the spacer rides and where it rides on the crankshaft
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 4, 2006 10:50:45 GMT -5
I'd just take it to your dealer...no sense wasting your time on it if they'll do it for free.
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Post by suprtek on Jul 4, 2006 16:42:33 GMT -5
I'd just take it to your dealer...no sense wasting your time on it if they'll do it for free. I did consider that. When I called them they implied that I may be without my Ruck for a few days because they can't get to it right away. In other words, if its something simple I'd rather just deal with it myself. Plus that way I will know exactly what has been done to my machine. I plan to pull the cover off and take a look. |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 5, 2006 9:44:06 GMT -5
Yeah it sucks when they want it for a few days....If you suggest that they just call you when they're ready to look at it they won't. Honda Motorcycle dealers often ofter crap service compared to Honda Cars because the motorcycle dealers are normally working on bikes that aren't relied on for daily transportation. They mainly work on pleasure toys so people don't mind dropping it off for a week.
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Post by kirk on Jul 12, 2006 12:00:38 GMT -5
My dealer is real crap service....my first oil change cost me nearly 75 $ !!! Normal oil change 39,95 $ !!! i'd rather do it myself for now on !
I was wondering if this could be my problem...Actualy i can pull out or push in my kickstart for about 1/16''....when i pull it out, it goes back in after a ride...would it be possible that this makes the noise ?
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 12, 2006 12:54:27 GMT -5
Getting maintenance work done at the dealers is a rip off. They charge so much because they don't think we realize that scooter maintenance is dead easy. Doing your own oil change is an easy 5 min job and if you have questions we'll help you out.
About your kickstarter, mine pulls in/out a bit too but I doubt this would be making your tapping sound. I'd be more concerned about up/down slop because if the kickstarter is slipping down then it may partially engage. Some people have had thus but the common consensus is that it's a grinding noise...not a tapping.
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Post by marker on Oct 10, 2006 23:19:24 GMT -5
I had a similar sounding sound coming from the same area under the same conditions (unrelated to rpm; worse when ruck is cold). I took mine in and am currently waiting for the parts, apparently it was the clutch.
Very glad i got the extended warrenty that i agonized over and over and over and over; until now,
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