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Post by mnx on Mar 31, 2007 12:47:05 GMT -5
Hi, I'm a current motorcyclist (Suzuki SV650) rider that is looking to ditch my motorcycle for a scooter. Top 3 reasons are as follows: 1) becoming a dad this fall 2) better fuel economy (and lower cost of ownership in general) 3) cheaper insurance  Anyways, I'm really interested in the ruckus as I've seen a few around town, and thought they looked awesome... My question goes something like this... I've read that honest fuel economy for a ruckus is 80-100mpg... The other scooter that interests me at this point is the 2007 Yamaha XF50 C cubed... I see it's got fuel injection.... I'm a sucker for technology... I realize that Honda is using a carb probably for simplicity sake and to keep costs down but wouldn't the XF50 do significantly better on the fuel economy front? The only #'s I could find were here (http://thescooterscoop.blogspot.com/search/label/Yamaha) see the post from Fenruary 9th... It's saying it'll get about 117mpg... any thoughts on the XF50? ( i realize this is a ruckus forum...) - Matt |
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Mar 31, 2007 13:17:50 GMT -5
Hi, I'm a current motorcyclist (Suzuki SV650) rider that is looking to ditch my motorcycle for a scooter. Top 3 reasons are as follows: 1) becoming a dad this fall 2) better fuel economy (and lower cost of ownership in general) 3) cheaper insurance Anyways, I'm really interested in the ruckus as I've seen a few around town, and thought they looked awesome... My question goes something like this... I've read that honest fuel economy for a ruckus is 80-100mpg... The other scooter that interests me at this point is the 2007 Yamaha XF50 C cubed... I see it's got fuel injection.... I'm a sucker for technology... I realize that Honda is using a carb probably for simplicity sake and to keep costs down but wouldn't the XF50 do significantly better on the fuel economy front? The only #'s I could find were here (http://thescooterscoop.blogspot.com/search/label/Yamaha) see the post from Fenruary 9th... It's saying it'll get about 117mpg... any thoughts on the XF50? ( i realize this is a ruckus forum...) - Matt  *Disclaimer for all models: fuel consumption figures based on 40km/hr speed on level ground I dunno about you but i sure wont be going 40 km/h to get 117 MPG when going 65 km/h i get 80-100  I dunno what the speed is like because frankly i havent seen one in person...... Heres a report from someone who has both battlescooter.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=Other&action=display&thread=1174845689 |
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Mar 31, 2007 20:37:01 GMT -5
Yeah, they would probably be the best bet for finding an answer. I guess you could always ask to take one for a test run, top it off, drive a couple miles, then see how much gas it needs (3 cents maybe)  Either way, keep us posted. I like the Vox, myself, and I like that name over c3. |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 2, 2007 9:13:37 GMT -5
The Ruckus is rated at 80km per litre which works out to 189mpg. However, that's a constant cruising speed of 30km/hr (20mph) which is rediculous. The point is, you can't trust those fuel economy stats at all.
It's true that the XF50 has fuel injection (and 3 valves vs. the Ruckus's 2 valves) but that doesn't seem to play out into an actual increase in fuel economy. The Ruckus Honda sells In Europe has 4 valves and an awesome closed loop F.I. system yet that system makes less power and doesn't seem to get significantly better milage....I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just tuned wierd.
Anyways, yes it's cool that it has F.I. and yes I'm jealous of that (and of the storage space) but I'd still rather have a Ruckus because it's way cooler. The C3 looks decent...better than the old Zuma/BWS IMO, but the Ruckus is in a league of it's own.
Some other things to consider are:
- The Ruckus has been on sale (in Japan) since 2001 so the engine is a proven reliable performer where as the XF50 engine was introduced in 06 to my knowledge so there's hardly any other there yet. Honda tweaked the Ruckus engine for 06 and addresssed the few minor issues that did exist.
- The C3 is heavier
- The C3 is rated as making less power
Anyways, they're both good scoots and I'd way rather you got either over some cheap Chinese crap....the storage space of the C3 is the main draw for me to the C3 but that isn't enough to overcome the fact that the Ruckus looks way cooler.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 2, 2007 9:14:43 GMT -5
If you're a sucker for technology...check out the Aprilia SR50 Ditech...it's got fuel injection, disc brakes front and rear and a ton of other stuff...it's one of very few 2 stroke engines that are still legal for sale because it's got some really cool innovations to reduce emissions.
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mnx
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Post by mnx on Apr 2, 2007 10:36:48 GMT -5
The Aprilia sounds awesome!!! but the MSRP looks like it's around $3000US... Quite a bit more than a C3 or a ruckus... That and I'm sure the insurance company would nail me for double what I'd have to pay for a ruckus...  Alright I'm definitely leaning towards the ruckus based on your comments here and in the other thread... Next question is will it haul 190lbs of rider and gear up the escarpment in Hamilton? (any idea Dandy Dan?) I'm probably gonna head over to a local dealer today and see what they'll give me for my suzuki SV650... Probably try and rip me off I'm sure... Thanks!! - matt |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 2, 2007 10:51:34 GMT -5
Wow another Hamilton rider....that's 3 from there in the last month or two. You should consider joining us for the Mad Bastard Rally (madbastardrally.com) which is a crazy 800km, 24 hour rally in late June.
Anyways, I was talking to another Ruckus owner in Hamilton who said his 2005 Ruckus drops close to 40km/hr at the lowest up the escarpment and now that he had a big bore pistion, it doesn't drop lower than 50km/hr. However, the 06 and newer Ruckus are a bit faster so I think it's safe to say you wouldn't drop below 45km/hr. 190lbs isn't that heavy.
About the Aprilia...I have a friend who ordered an 07 about 5 months ago and it just arrived last week but he hasn't been able to go pick it up yet because his licence expired (G1) and he lost his birth certificate so he can't get another G1 until that arrives. Anyways, he paid $3999 for it + taxes etc I'm sure. so you're looking just over $1000 more than the Ruckus. However, it's a 2-stroke and you can ask the dealer to destrict it for you and it'll go atleast 80km/hr vs. about 65km/hr for the Ruckus or C3. Why would your insurance company want to double the rate? They only know the engine size which is the same and the value so if you didn't have collision I can't see it being that much different.
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Post by mnx on Apr 2, 2007 10:58:19 GMT -5
good to know the ruckus will haul me up the hill without too much trouble... Alright the Aprilia SR50 Ditech sounds like the scooter of my dreams!! Any reasons to get a ruckus over an Aprilia other than initial purchase price?
any idea on what the reliability of the SR50 is like? Will a 2 stroke engine wear down much quicker?
- matt
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 2, 2007 11:59:42 GMT -5
Umm....not as good as the Ruckus. For a 2-stroke, the Aprilia is likely better than average but it's still a 2-stroke and I've been on some SR50 forums and rebuilds are pretty common. I'd guess it'd work for for 3-5 years and then need an overhaul...just pulling wild guesses out of thin air here though because I really have no experience with the SR50.
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Post by mnx on Apr 2, 2007 12:15:52 GMT -5
yeah I decided to google sr50 rebuild and this site: (http://www.maxmoto.co.uk/aprilia_rs50_tips.shtml) says something about changing the piston and rings every 18 months is the only major work you'd have to do.
either way I'd rather spend more time riding than working on my scoot.. think I'll stay with a ruckus.
one more question... A Honda Jazz has the same engine right? So, if I could test drive a jazz then I'd have a pretty good idea of what a ruckus is like? (at least engine/power wise...)
thanks!
- matt
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Apr 2, 2007 12:24:57 GMT -5
The Jazz will be quicker than the Ruckus, due to it's tiny wheels. And of course, at least for me, it feels a lot tighter (though I've only sat on one, never driven). But top speed should be the same, I beleive.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 2, 2007 12:28:53 GMT -5
The Jazz is a little quicker off the line mainly because it weights 20-30lbs less plus it has smaller wheels (less rotational weight) and it's more aerodynameic, but yeah, they have identical motors so it'll give you a very good idea. Just keep in mind that the 06 and newer models are faster, so if you test drive an 05 Jazz it would likely be a bit slower than a new Ruckus or Jazz.
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Apr 2, 2007 15:31:58 GMT -5
good to know the ruckus will haul me up the hill without too much trouble... Alright the Aprilia SR50 Ditech sounds like the scooter of my dreams!! Any reasons to get a ruckus over an Aprilia other than initial purchase price? any idea on what the reliability of the SR50 is like? Will a 2 stroke engine wear down much quicker? - matt SR50's are fastttt....... 80 km/h outta the box derestriced... blows the Zuma outta the water. I sat on it, same problem as the Zuma, knees hit the steering wheel  exnay on driving for me... gabs is getting an SR50, they are $2000 CAD more than the Ruckus, for $5000 CAD i can get a wicked nice not scooter....  Im sorry if im biased, but the Ruckus is so freaking cool i dont want an Aprilia... i dont care how fast it is... the Ruckus is a total Mod Freaks dream come true.... so much can be modified, you can make it your own ;D My Rucki has now well exceeded that $5000 mark on engine and performance parts alone and i regret not one dime of it.... two stroke = power, Ruckus = Prestige and Sweet Ride!!!
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Post by tommy7 on Apr 5, 2007 7:43:28 GMT -5
mnx -
As far as the C3/VOX is concerned, I own both a Ruckus and a C3 (it belongs to the wife now, LOL) and I can tell you with certainty that the C3/VOX is faster. I weigh a whoppin' 220lbs and I can get to 40mph much faster on the C3 than on the Ruckus, HOWEVER..... the C3/VOX does indeed have a restrictor/governer/limiter of sorts that doesn't allow me to accelerate over 40mph (maybe 41mph), at least it does here in NC. Aside from that, I also don't really like the *feel* of the ride on the C3, that may be due to me getting so accustomed to the ride & feel of the Ruckus, but nonetheless I'm not all that crazy about it. The two just don't compare, and as you'll find, the Ruckus is in a class all it's own.
Cheers!
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Apr 5, 2007 18:09:47 GMT -5
The two just don't compare, and as you'll find, the Ruckus is in a class all it's own. Cheers! ;D well said....... any thoughts on stealing the FI system.... is it possible |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Apr 5, 2007 19:08:58 GMT -5
The two just don't compare, and as you'll find, the Ruckus is in a class all it's own. Cheers! ;D well said....... any thoughts on stealing the FI system.... is it possible The F.I. system would be very intertwined with the ECM so you'd likely need that too which would be a huge job. |
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Apr 6, 2007 22:12:28 GMT -5
;D well said....... any thoughts on stealing the FI system.... is it possible The F.I. system would be very intertwined with the ECM so you'd likely need that too which would be a huge job. twas a crazy thought anyways  |
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Post by wagnersdw on Apr 6, 2007 22:27:52 GMT -5
Just my opinion..
But I LOVE the looks for the Honda Ruckus much more than that of the Yamaha.
I am positive that the Yamaha is a great machine. It's a Yamaha.
But a Honda.. is a Honda.. and they are awesome machines as well.
So.. which one do you like the looks of more? You will live with it for a long time.
Is a 50cc sufficient for you? Having a motorcycle you will be surprised at the difference when riding on a 50cc scoot.
That said.. if 50cc's are sufficient.. I would make your decision upon which one appeals to you.
The Ruckus is just an awesome looking thing.
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Apr 8, 2007 22:27:44 GMT -5
That sounds like the best advice. It's all a matter of opinion. And for most of us here, it's the Ruckus.
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Post by skuuter on Apr 9, 2007 10:22:16 GMT -5
Small Scooter World........THE RUCKUS RULES..... ;D ;D ;D
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