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Post by jakmagic on Apr 1, 2009 12:39:42 GMT -5
i always used premium fuel because at the gas stations by me the 87 and 89 octane fuel contain ethonal. what is your suggestion on that? I really appreciate your post. thanks
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Post by scooterbill on Apr 1, 2009 12:59:01 GMT -5
I have run the fuels with the ethonal and it doesn't make a difference that I can tell. I would use the 87 if you don't have the big bore, because it runs better on it. You can get more miles to a gallon with the 87 than you can with the high octane. If you have the big bore you have to use 91 and higher.
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Girak
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Post by Girak on Apr 26, 2009 14:07:56 GMT -5
Could using high octane gas cause the electric push start to not work on cold days?
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Post by yaris on Apr 26, 2009 17:23:32 GMT -5
Could using high octane gas cause the electric push start to not work on cold days? no, your battery is probably just at the end if its life. did it start well with the kick-start on cold days? |
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Post by Girak on Apr 26, 2009 17:44:51 GMT -5
no, your battery is probably just at the end if its life. did it start well with the kick-start on cold days? Yeah, started right up, no problems. It's an '06 with 1800 miles on it. |
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Post by scooterbill on Apr 27, 2009 4:11:40 GMT -5
Try charging the battery first with a trickle charger.
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Post by nwas on Jun 18, 2009 12:07:34 GMT -5
I read this thread shortly after I bought my 2 Ruckus' and continued to put regular in them for about two months. I decided to try premium, and hey what a difference. My mileage went up, my top speed is 44mph at the speed limiter, and I can rip up a hill much easier.
For anyone that hasn't tried premium yet, totally try it, you'll love it. Don't alway believe everything you read on here.
FYIs:
My Bike: 08 Stock, I'm 6,2 280lbs and yes 44mph top out at limiter, I could easily get to 50 on slopes
My Girls bike: 04 Stock She's 110 lbs with top out of 40-41
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jun 18, 2009 16:40:35 GMT -5
I read this thread shortly after I bought my 2 Ruckus' and continued to put regular in them for about two months. I decided to try premium, and hey what a difference. My mileage went up, my top speed is 44mph at the speed limiter, and I can rip up a hill much easier. For anyone that hasn't tried premium yet, totally try it, you'll love it. Don't alway believe everything you read on here. FYIs: My Bike: 08 Stock, I'm 6,2 280lbs and yes 44mph top out at limiter, I could easily get to 50 on slopes My Girls bike: 04 Stock She's 110 lbs with top out of 40-41 That's interesting, since whenever I've put anything other than Regular in my '04, it's not run nearly as well. |
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Post by shawna on Jun 19, 2009 1:24:52 GMT -5
You want to use the lowest that you can safely get away with. Honda recommends 87 because they know that's safe, so wouldn't go down to 83. On the other hand, going higher than 87 is pointless so go with 87 or the next highest one. I have to do more investigation on the Ruckus motor and its electronics and sensors. So I am going to ask. Is there a knock sensor or is there a way the computer can retard the timing on the Ruckus? Because if there is, I can see the ecm retarding timing using 87 octane to prevent ping and advancing the timing when using 91+ octane. If you use 91+ octane and the ecm is advancing the timing. Then you will get more power using 91+ octane. |
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Post by vagrantone0 on Jun 24, 2009 7:47:27 GMT -5
Explain then why my top speed went from 32 to 34 when i switched to 91?
Or could my fresh full synth oil and new spark plug be the reason?
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 24, 2009 17:16:58 GMT -5
I have to do more investigation on the Ruckus motor and its electronics and sensors. So I am going to ask. Is there a knock sensor or is there a way the computer can retard the timing on the Ruckus? Because if there is, I can see the ecm retarding timing using 87 octane to prevent ping and advancing the timing when using 91+ octane. If you use 91+ octane and the ecm is advancing the timing. Then you will get more power using 91+ octane. If there was, Honda would spec 91+ octane. They wouldn't design an engine that produces optimum power at 91 and then request that the rider use 87. |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jun 24, 2009 17:18:46 GMT -5
Explain then why my top speed went from 32 to 34 when i switched to 91? Or could my fresh full synth oil and new spark plug be the reason? 32mph and 34mph are both rather low top speeds that indicate a poorly running Ruckus. If you had stale gas in previously that could be the difference, but most likely the new plug is why you've regained some of your lost speed. I'd give your Ruckus a full tune up (valve gaps, air filter, tire PSI etc) to get it to atleast 37mph for a pre 2006 Ruckus, or 40+ mph for a 2006 and newer. |
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Post by thisismikefox on Jun 24, 2009 19:14:05 GMT -5
I know this is a fairly old thread, but I have a question. Is it better to avoid using fuel that contains ethanol? Is there a safe percentage of ethanol?
Thanks
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Post by vagrantone0 on Jun 25, 2009 7:29:20 GMT -5
32mph and 34mph are both rather low top speeds that indicate a poorly running Ruckus. If you had stale gas in previously that could be the difference, but most likely the new plug is why you've regained some of your lost speed. I'd give your Ruckus a full tune up (valve gaps, air filter, tire PSI etc) to get it to atleast 37mph for a pre 2006 Ruckus, or 40+ mph for a 2006 and newer. Thanks for the tip dan. My Ruckus spent a Wisconsin winter outside and completely unprotected. After I dug her out of the snowbank she started right up, so i'm thankful i get anything at all. |
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Post by skuuter on Jun 25, 2009 12:40:14 GMT -5
I have ran regular gas in my 07 ever since I bought it. It was gettin' to runnin' worse lately (not sure how that was possible...  ), so I started usin' premium. It has ran much better since the second tank full. I credit the extra cleaners in the premium for most of the gain. Probably gettin' varnish built up and the premium has helped clean some carb passages, etc. .....just an "educated guess"........... ;D |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 4, 2009 2:49:13 GMT -5
I know this is a fairly old thread, but I have a question. Is it better to avoid using fuel that contains ethanol? Is there a safe percentage of ethanol? Thanks You can safely run 10% ethanol I believe (cuz any vehicle can) but mostly ethanol fuels (ie. E90) are no good. Your engine needs to be designed for those. So is it better to run E10 (10% ethanol, which is found at many gas stations) or pure gas? That's a debateable one. One advantage of E10 is that is absorbs water so you never have to worry about a gas line freezing (not really an issue with a scoot). This is good because if you ever get water in the gas (ie. it's raining when you fill it up and a drop gets in) then it won't be a problem. You can hit trouble easy with a bit of water if you don't have ethanol. On the downside, I believe the energy contained in a gallon of E10 is a bit less, so you'll get a couple percent less power and less milage. I'm fuzzy on this, but I think you lose a percent or two of the energy. |
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Post by thisismikefox on Jul 4, 2009 9:52:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I just wondered if it was worth my time to search for an ethanol-free station.
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jul 4, 2009 12:15:07 GMT -5
I try to avoid them in my car, I'd probably try to avoid them, if there were more around here, on my Ruckus.
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Post by numnumcook on Jul 7, 2009 10:35:27 GMT -5
I have to do more investigation on the Ruckus motor and its electronics and sensors. So I am going to ask. Is there a knock sensor or is there a way the computer can retard the timing on the Ruckus? Because if there is, I can see the ecm retarding timing using 87 octane to prevent ping and advancing the timing when using 91+ octane. If you use 91+ octane and the ecm is advancing the timing. Then you will get more power using 91+ octane. If there was, Honda would spec 91+ octane. They wouldn't design an engine that produces optimum power at 91 and then request that the rider use 87. No where in my 2006 Ruckus manual does Honda specifically request the rider to use 87, or 89, or 91 or whatever, just a 'minimum of 86 octane'. So this only leads me to speculate as to what octane is best for my stock engine. I can only assume that because the engine has very high compression ratio (11.9:1), a higher octane might be more beneficial. I have yet to come across any hard facts from Honda or anywhere else that give a definitive answer as to what is best. I am still going back and forth from low to high octanes and cannot figure this one out. There must be a reason why Honda is very specific about what octane to use in their cars(i.e.Civic: use 87 regular, Civic Si: use 91 premium), yet be so broad (minimum of 86 octane) with the Ruckus. Maybe I'll write to Honda and see what they say... numnumcook |
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Post by skuuter on Jul 8, 2009 15:07:39 GMT -5
If there was, Honda would spec 91+ octane. They wouldn't design an engine that produces optimum power at 91 and then request that the rider use 87. No where in my 2006 Ruckus manual does Honda specifically request the rider to use 87, or 89, or 91 or whatever, just a 'minimum of 86 octane'. So this only leads me to speculate as to what octane is best for my stock engine. I can only assume that because the engine has very high compression ratio (11.9:1), a higher octane might be more beneficial. I have yet to come across any hard facts from Honda or anywhere else that give a definitive answer as to what is best. I am still going back and forth from low to high octanes and cannot figure this one out. There must be a reason why Honda is very specific about what octane to use in their cars(i.e.Civic: use 87 regular, Civic Si: use 91 premium), yet be so broad (minimum of 86 octane) with the Ruckus. Maybe I'll write to Honda and see what they say... numnumcook A "few" of the Bikes I've owned...... Silver Wing(s) run better on regular and get better mileage VFR Interceptor(s) run better on regular...better mileage DN-01 runs better on premium...better mileage Ruckus(s) run better on regular...better mileage until lately, better now on premium CBR1000 and 600 run better on premium...better mileage Gold Wing run better on regular...better mileage ....just a few "personal experiments"........... ;D |
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