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Post by chanito on Jul 21, 2006 19:56:19 GMT -5
 PM me with your address and i will send you a ring compressor ;D
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Jul 22, 2006 21:24:45 GMT -5
IN FLORIDA AND LOVING IT!!!! Chanito, DD CONGRATSSS!!!!!! Still awaiting those Veypors.... Mine will be done early winter, as i can live with my 46 MPH ruckus right now..... Anyone who drives a scoot down in the states HAS MY RESPECT!!!!! You guys are FREAKING NUTS!!!! I have never seen the need for full throttle accelerations in a vehicle to pull into traffic, not to mention that every road around here (Kissimee/Orlando) is 40 MPH and up...... I was hoping to get down to Miami and meet up with you Chanito, but unfortunately its not gonna happen....I fly out later on Mon Morning, and still have some sight seeing to get too..... I have seen not a single ruckus yet...... Oh, and im suffering RUCKUS WITHDRAWLS  Not riding for 3 weeks is killing me, i almost shelled out the $40 in the Bahamas to ride some crappy chinese scoot to satisfy my neediness....  Good to hear all is well with the Big Bore Piston.... Chanito, ill be talking to a few people in town, the instant they see how fast i am with the cam(None of them have seen tuned up performance) i guarantee you'll have 4 of those overbore kits sold.... The need for a 40 MPH cruising speed is essential.....I hope to get a fairly detailed explanation of the kit, as im unsure whether i will be taking it to a shop or having my mechanic at work help me.... Its not a matter of me not wanting to do it, or faith in my skills, its the possiblility i may not have time with school this year, as im no longer in college, i managed to transfer into Full Blown University...... Which means PAIN, Suffering, and work..... Peace out Ruck Riders, hope to read more soon....(6 Pages of new stuff..... I should stay away more often) |
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Post by Wiley on Jul 23, 2006 15:25:10 GMT -5
How do we keep the upgrade on the DL, so as to not have to get a license for our new 65cc scooter?
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Post by jedisabre7 on Jul 23, 2006 15:47:32 GMT -5
65cc???
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jul 23, 2006 18:11:43 GMT -5
More like 58cc. I'm guessing don't tell anyone. It's not going to be as fast as a 65cc 2stroke, so I don't really think I'd worry about anyone finding out.. You think a cop is going to tear your engine down and pull out a ruler? |
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8chpl
Ruckster
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Post by 8chpl on Jul 23, 2006 20:59:36 GMT -5
In Nova Scotia, any motorcycle under 100 cc can be licensed as a Motor Driven Cycle. Less insurance, $15 to register per year instead of $32. Most places it is 50cc. We need a Motorcycle Driver's Licence.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 24, 2006 14:18:54 GMT -5
Couple quick comments and I'll get to the review:
Wiley: Just don't tell anyone or atleast don't tell your insurance company or the Police...it's not like you're going to be going 80mph and cops are gonna be surprised...your engine will still say 50cc on the side and you're still not going to be faster than say a modified Zuma so it's really no big deal.
Chanito: Sorry I forget the pic of the soon to be Mrs. Durston again...I've got the pic taken but I was so busy with the piston I forgot to upload it.
Okay now to the review:
Previously I had spent about 3 hours reassembling the engine carefully. This past Saturday morning I spent about 2 hours putting the engine back in my scoot and connecting, checking and refilling everything. When the time came to fire it up I realized I only had 87 octane gas in the scooter so I had to drive 30min round trip to get some 91 gas...I also used a permanent marker to write '91 Only' on my gas cap so I won't forget in the future.
Finally the big moment came to fire it up...I was using 38/85 jetting which was unchanged. I pushed the starter button and the engine cranked over but it wouldn't catch...I tried holding the throttle wide open but no dice. I decided it must be too lean so I rejetted to a 42/90 setup. Then again came the tense moment as I tried to start it...it cranked for 10 seconds or so and then finally....*cough*...*cough*...VROOOOM! It roared to life. I had to keep giving it gas because it wouldn't idle but it seemed to run okay.
Next I operated the throttle to keep it idling for a couple minutes to warm up before I went for a ride. Unfortunately, I was out of time so I rode it gently to my girls house (10miles) and hung out with her for the evening.
Later that night on my way home I decided it should check and see what this engine was capable of. I slowed to a stop to do a 0-30mph run with my Veypor. I actually wasn't expecting much because up to half throttle it felt about as fast as before (have you noticed at half throttle you probably get 90% of the acceleration that you get at full throttle?) Anyways, I set up my Veypor and pounced on the gas on a slight incline. I was surprised at how well it was running and how hard it was pulling at full throttle. 0-20mph came in up 2.51 seconds and I roared up to 30mph in a shocking 6.97 seconds.
As a bit of background, my 2006 Ruckus stock did 0-30mph in 8.5-9 seconds and prior to the big bore piston (with cam, Yosh, pod intake, Polini variator) I was able to click runs off as low as 7.5 seconds with normal runs being in the 7.7-8.3 second range.
Anyways, back to the story, so I just blew away my record run by over half a second and I wasn't even tucking or a flat ground. Excited I rode up to section of flat ground and setup for another 0-30mph run. This time the ground was totally flat and I was planning to tuck to see what was really possible. I pounced on the devil and 0-20mph came up in 2.44 seconds and amazingly, 0-30mph was complete in 6.41 seconds....that's Zuma fast and 1.5 seconds faster than I had ever achieved before.
However, while I was way faster than ever 0-30mph by top speed wasn't so great. After 30mph my acceleation was lackluster and I could make it up to 40mph but it was a little slower than before. Encouraged by the significant gains on the low end, the next afternoon I set out to rejet to dial in my top end. I was sure I was running way too rich and I pulled the plug to verify that (it was jet black and sooty). I ended up guessing a 42/85 setup. Unfortunately, the story ends on a bit of a crappy note because it started to rain quite hard so I had to scrap the test runs and I won't be able to re-start them until next weekend because I'm out of town until then. Oh..I did fire it up briefly and it did idle a bit better...well it didn't actually idle but it would take about 20 seconds to sputter and die instead of about 2 seconds so that's a lot better.
I spent the rest of the afternoon installing my new front fender, washing my the Lorax and replacing the 'Ruckus' frame decals with OEM Honda UK 'Zoomer' ones. I'm indifferent on which name I like better but the Zoomer decals are a nicer font. Props to zoomer46 for hooking me up with these.
In Summary (pre-Proper jetting):
Idle: Sketchy
0-30mph: Amazing from start to finish...no lags.
30 mph +: T.B.D.
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Jul 24, 2006 14:53:09 GMT -5
:)great right up dandy, glad u liked the stickers!! ;D sounds like you had an intresting time doing it, but hey,it just up's the anticipation!!  do you find that you have more torque or power? seems like you must have both fairly equally,  and did the already loud yoshi become even louder? if so in what way? and do you think with your cam and yoshi,you may of found the limits with your cv carbs/ as far as adjustment and flow capacity? as you having to dial in the top speed, alittle, did you find it would still rev as much on accelaration ok? are you still able to rev to around 8500 at any time? maybe try a short run without the airfilter to see if it is restricting you as you need more air for your new bigger piston.? and one other thing  |
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 24, 2006 15:20:16 GMT -5
do you find that you have more torque or power? seems like you must have both fairly equally, I'd guess both but I'm not sure because I don't really understand the difference. did the already loud yoshi become even louder? Not a big difference...maybe a slightly deeper and louder but nothing significant. do you think with your cam and yoshi,you may of found the limits with your cv carbs/ as far as adjustment and flow capacity? I hope not and I'd guess no...an 18mm carb is quite big (it's used on many 80cc bikes) so I don't think we're maxing out. I think it's just a matter of dialing it in. did you find it would still rev as much on accelaration ok? are you still able to rev to around 8500 at any time? My RPMs 0-30mph were unchanged....if anything it was a little less inclined to rev high above 30mph but I believe that's entirely just because it was running very rich and not making much power...just a temporary problem. I was able to go for one short run with the 42/85 jetting setup later that night but my Ruckus wasn't warmed up and I didn't have time to really feel it out so I didn't want to post unaccurate results. With that said, it was the same 0-30mph and better on the top end. I could reach the 8850rpm redline at 45mph but I think I'm still a little rich on the top and there's more improvment to be made with my 30mph-45mph acceleration. I think a 42/82 setup may be the ticket. |
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Jul 24, 2006 15:34:37 GMT -5
torque and power are pretty tough to separate sometimes.
torque is the pulling force, that generally takes you to the powerband zone,but they can be measured separately.
18mm is pretty ok i guess for this kind of capacity,any bigger maybe will make it too top-
end in power band.
its going to be a long wait for the weekend dan...
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 24, 2006 15:42:22 GMT -5
Yeah I never complete what I set out to do....next weekend I need to make a batch of variator tools which will probably take 4 hours so I won't have too much time and I want to do my new tail light too so I guess the light will have to wait.
Most 50cc 4-stroke scoots are 14mm-16mm so 18mm seems like plenty.
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Post by chanito on Jul 24, 2006 22:14:48 GMT -5
OK i am going to try this one more time, Torque is a force, so you can measure directly, torque is a force applied to an axle to generate rotation, the way to figure it is mounting a foot long lever on an axle and then apply a lb weight at the end, this weight will try to rotate that axle with a one foot/pound of torque ( you can use a meter instead of a foot and a kilo instead of the pound and you will get a kilogram/meter of torque) horsepower is your use of that force over a period of time, so the higher the HP the more work you can do in that period of time  every time i try to explain that i always get blank stares I am very happy with your findings, and they are different from mine, probably due to the HO cam, and now you got me looking into swapping the cam, mine have no problem starting and running, but the idle is a little low, i mange to turn the idle adjuster 1/2 a turn but my home made tool broke, so i have to fabricate another before i get back into it, and it runs better, but i still need to swap low jets, my top end is way better and the torque is amazing, but i need to figure out why i can not go past 8500 rpms, probably a different profile needle i might go back to the pre '06 needle and a different heat range on the spark plug, but without any major mod the big bore is way better than stock, the kinks need to be iron out, so i am looking forward to more people installing theirs and get some more feed back ;D
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 25, 2006 7:50:53 GMT -5
Thanks for your patience Chanito...I believe I have a pretty good understanding of torque but hp still confuses me a little. When you say 'hp is your use of that force over time' I get a bit confused but it's not a huge deal...I don't want to get this thread way off topic because we've got other hp. vs. torque threads.
Anyways, hopefully this coming weekend I can get my engine more dialed in and start to grasp approximentaly what the engines gas needs are. It seems that the engine needs a similar amount of gas on the top end but more on the low end so a bigger slow jet (42 instead of 38) with a slightly smaller main (82 instead of 85) might be the ticket...time will tell.
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Post by chanito on Jul 25, 2006 16:19:13 GMT -5
I am really looking forward to you findings DD, your posts are great ;D ;D i am going to my FAQ post and try to illustrate what HP really mean, and why without a torque spec is a useless number
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Jul 26, 2006 17:31:34 GMT -5
do you ever get the feeling that chanito is the teacher,and we are sometimes
the kids at the front fo the class asking probing questions ! lol !
maybe it would be good to suggest a ''running -in period'' at this point of reporting,around 300 miles ?
your rucky dan, has to be the fastest around !
from my basic calculations ,
with 20% more cc's , you will get 20% more acceleration,
and with the mods 30% better than stock?
easily in to 2- stroke territory now , which is great going,
as you would normally have to double the cc's to achieve equal performance.
and we have a much cooler sound,especially with an aftermarket exhaust.
this is really starting to get intresting!
i dont think we will ever get the top speed as high as a 2 strokes ,
cos of the rpm issue,but who cares !
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earwax
n00b Ruckster
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Post by earwax on Jul 26, 2006 17:56:46 GMT -5
stroke stroke
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Jul 26, 2006 18:03:50 GMT -5
stroke stroke ?
you lost me,do u need some q tips?
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earwax
n00b Ruckster
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Post by earwax on Jul 26, 2006 18:21:54 GMT -5
to stroke means to blow sunshine up someone's "edit profanity", massage someones ego, also known as bootlicking. i detected two strokes earlier so hence... stroke stroke. or maybe it should have been stroke, stroke.
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wonderslicer
Junior Ruckster
Ruckass sold me his wicked scoot so be nice to me ok
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Post by wonderslicer on Jul 26, 2006 20:50:56 GMT -5
Do you think without thew work that DD and Chanito have put into both researching and writing up performance solutions for our Rucks that we would be anywhere but riding clunkers that looked cool?
Many, many people have contributed to the boards and community in the form of trying out new ideas, finding products and distributors, and sharing their experience with small engines. Right now these two are pushing Rucks farher than ever, spent a small fortune each and have put an incredible amount of time into this site and totalruckus.
We would in pretty poor shape without people like Dandy Dan and Chanito. Or maybe you got two extra strokes with your Ruckus that you really didn't want?
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 27, 2006 8:14:49 GMT -5
I was hoping the 'stroke stroke' comment was cheering for a potential stroker engine sometime down the road. I'd really like to do that but I'm not sure if I'm gonna sell out $400 or so and get a custom crank down or actually do a run (10?) and sell em. It'll be spring before I'm aggresively looking into this because I'm a university student and I"ll be almost unemployed all fall so I won't be able to afford it until I start working again.
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