Minion
Junior Ruckster
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Post by Minion on Sept 2, 2006 12:43:44 GMT -5
what is the difference  just curious |
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Post by chanito on Sept 2, 2006 14:43:54 GMT -5
The '06 is longer and have a more smooth taper so it helps on mid range, but appears it is too long on 05' so you need either a bigger main or just cut it to pre '06 lenght , here is a pic with the part number in case you want to experiment  |
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Post by Jasper on Sept 3, 2006 21:55:48 GMT -5
hey chanito, why is going up on the main jet another option to cutting the 06 needle to pre05 needle length?
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Minion
Junior Ruckster
Posts: 65
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Post by Minion on Sept 5, 2006 13:13:21 GMT -5
sweet thx  |
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Post by chanito on Sept 5, 2006 20:41:09 GMT -5
hey chanito, why is going up on the main jet another option to cutting the 06 needle to pre05 needle length? I do not have an 06 carb handy, so i can not really confirm why the extra lenght on the 06 needle, but my educated guess, is that it has to do with the new PCV system giving extra air at mid needle rise so the jet is bigger to compensate and the needle is always in the jet restricting flow at full throttle to compensate for this, installing a bigger jet will give you full flow, but will run rich at part throttle  However is way easier to do than cutting the needle  |
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Post by Jasper on Sept 6, 2006 0:33:37 GMT -5
ohh ic, also why is cutting the needle a real difficult task? is it what i think...grinding the needle to a extremely fine point like how they look like originally?
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Sept 6, 2006 8:25:11 GMT -5
ohh ic, also why is cutting the needle a real difficult task? is it what i think...grinding the needle to a extremely fine point like how they look like originally? yep |
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Post by AirRukus on Oct 17, 2006 8:30:58 GMT -5
New here trying to get some info. Could I use a 2006 Needle on my 2003 Ruckus? If so, Where can I get a shim from? I thought I read someone say Radio Shack? Thanks guys for all ur help.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Oct 17, 2006 10:07:51 GMT -5
Yeah you can use an 06 needle in an older Ruck. It fits perfectly. Regarding a shim...I prefer just to make them out of a beer cap. However with slow jets now available I havent needed to mess with shimming anymore.
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Oct 17, 2006 15:38:27 GMT -5
New here trying to get some info. Could I use a 2006 Needle on my 2003 Ruckus? If so, Where can I get a shim from? I thought I read someone say Radio Shack? Thanks guys for all ur help. If your just swapping the needle you wont need to shim it |
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Post by Jasper on Oct 20, 2006 23:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by Blackruk on Oct 21, 2006 7:02:41 GMT -5
Simple.
Take the old needle and place it next to the new one. Mark the old length on the new one with permanent marker. Make sure to leave enough room to compensate for the thickness of the cutting blade you are going to use and for filing down the point.
Using a Dremel, cut off the excess needle length, then roughly shape the tip of the needle to a point (it helps to use a magnifying glass for us old folks). Then using fine sandpaper and a hard surface, carefully sharpen the needle tip evenly until the tip resembles the old one. Clean thoroughly.
Enjoy.
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Post by Jasper on Oct 23, 2006 23:14:29 GMT -5
With that said, that means the needle tip doesn't have to be 100% perfect?
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Post by Blackruk on Oct 24, 2006 9:30:31 GMT -5
I don't think anything we do is ever 100%. Mine works fine and I figure it can't be better than 90%.
The eye is a very precise measuring tool. You'll be amazed at how close you can get it by just "eyeballing" it.
Anyway, I think the point is just to help direct the needle into the hole.
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Oct 24, 2006 16:06:22 GMT -5
With that said, that means the needle tip doesn't have to be 100% perfect? It might be soft enough to use a small pencil sharpener  maybe just some sandpaper on the edges of a pencil sharpener |
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Post by Jasper on Oct 24, 2006 20:47:10 GMT -5
so did you notice any improvements after the shortening?
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Post by Blackruk on Oct 25, 2006 9:01:26 GMT -5
After all this discussion, I have to say - not really.  |
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Oct 25, 2006 22:09:43 GMT -5
After all this discussion, I have to say - not really. I still stick with bump the main, it is easier to do..... |
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Post by Jasper on Oct 27, 2006 0:53:28 GMT -5
well shaved the needle today, actually really easy just as Blackruk taught me...i just stuck my needle into the dremel and angled it by sanding it on a sandpaper as the dremel spinned the needle
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Post by Blackruk on Oct 27, 2006 20:29:43 GMT -5
I just switched back to my pre '06 needle (it was running rich 10-20 mph). I needed to reduce fuel. It runs much better now.
So, switching to the '06 needle does make a difference if you need a little more mid-range gas (and vice versas).
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