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Post by ZOOMER46 on Aug 19, 2006 18:56:55 GMT -5
Seeing as we all go round the houses trying to make our engines faster,so we go faster, hows a bout making the bike lighter to go faster ? i mean how far can you go? the standard zoomer is 84kg's , is 70kg possible? and for every 20 Ib's saved you gain 1 sec to 30 mph dan said. has anyone weighed there bike, 1/after adding extra's and kit 2/after removing parts ? how much lighter are 12" alloy wheels? are the tyres for them lighter than standard? some things may not be so obvious,such as mirrors or the standard exhaust(which weighs a ton!) obviously for some, me included the bike has to be pratical to use still. name anything that can be trimmed or done away with. ;D and kami,don't say "you could go on a diet"
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Aug 19, 2006 20:23:46 GMT -5
You could always go on a diet.
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Aug 19, 2006 21:25:45 GMT -5
ah eh ! only realistic answers please !
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Aug 20, 2006 0:25:16 GMT -5
1)Trim down the fenders, that should be .6kg 2) Get rid of that heavy skid pad underneath Probably 4 kg there alone, that things HEAVY(~10 pds), replace with sidestand 3) DD's battery swap 4) Ditch the stock blinkers for tiny LED's(Wind resistance GREATLY Reduced ), Get rid of that tailight assembly, go to all LED 5) Be lazy and go for the overbore and H.O cam and forget lightening the bike
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Aug 20, 2006 5:34:47 GMT -5
6kg for the fenders? are you sure! they're plastic not gold. the centre stand is a great one tho, the kickstand weighs nothing and does the job, battery maybe best till the original is done? LED'S here might be illegal,and not much drag timber,but tailight removal looks smart,more pert rear for it. overbore will be nice,but i'm trying to cover new ground here.
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Post by chanito on Aug 20, 2006 9:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Aug 20, 2006 15:56:11 GMT -5
6kg for the fenders? are you sure! they're plastic not gold. the centre stand is a great one tho, the kickstand weighs nothing and does the job, battery maybe best till the original is done? LED'S here might be illegal,and not much drag timber,but tailight removal looks smart,more pert rear for it. overbore will be nice,but i'm trying to cover new ground here. You missed the decimal .6 The skid plate is really freaking heavy, im gonna go measure it later on today, it wieghs at least 5-10 lbs easy
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Aug 20, 2006 16:17:17 GMT -5
i thought that was dirt on the screen !
o.k dude you got me back for that WAS faster post !
that stand down there looks heavy too,its going now, things i was hoping to see were handlebars mirrors top yoke for the forks forks wheels front rack seat front lights exhaust foot platform and underseat tray kami and chanito skipping the main course,
o.k some of these things cannot be done without, but maybe swapped for something else? what ? and had anyone weighed there bike?
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Aug 20, 2006 18:36:52 GMT -5
You could always just take off the seat and the frame and ride it standing up. That'd drop quite a bit of weight, I'm sure. ;D
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Post by chanito on Aug 20, 2006 20:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Aug 20, 2006 20:29:48 GMT -5
Yeah, you can skip all that useless salad and such before a meal, just not the main cour :Dse.
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Post by chanito on Aug 20, 2006 20:33:22 GMT -5
Kamino knows
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Aug 20, 2006 20:57:41 GMT -5
I like how my smiley face wound up in the middle of a word.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Aug 21, 2006 10:22:37 GMT -5
the standard zoomer is 84kg's , is 70kg possible? and for every 20 Ib's saved you gain 1 sec to 30 mph dan said. I think 70kg is possible if you went all out but it would be quite a bit of work. Perhaps worth it though because you'd be more nimble and have better acceleration. You'd just want to be smart about and not compromise important stuff. About saving 1 sec 0-30mph per 20lbs...that was a bit of a rough guess by Acceleration = Force/Mass, when you drop your bike's weight by 20lbs (9kg) you are reducing the total weight from about 365lbs (195lbs wet Ruckus + 170lbs (average) rider) to 345lbs which is about 5-6% less weight so you should accelerate about 5-6% faster which is about 1 second if you have an older Ruckus that takes about 13 seconds to 30mph. On a newer Ruckus the difference would be more like 1/2 second. Weight savings are something that fascinates me because weight is our enemy. It hurts braking, cornering, acceleration, milage etc...basically everything. It would be awesome if someone with a stock Ruckus could haul out their bathroom scale and weight the front and rear wheels and add those together to get a wet weight. I think the Honda spec dry weight is 84kg and 87kg wet (with oil and gas) but I'm not sure. About the skidplate, if you're counting the centerstand too then that whole unit might weight 3-4lbs but the skidplate alone is maybe 1lbs....2lbs tops. In my opinion there isn't a lot of weight savings potential here because kickstand isn't that much lighter than the centerstand and you could remove the skidplate but that's a bad idea because it does get used sometimes and it has an important job. I think there are bigger fish to fry. The two biggest weight savings I've found so far are the exhaust and battery. The stock exhaust is about 7.5lbs and the complete Yoshimura system is 3lbs so you save 4.5lbs or 2kg with that alone. Also, the YT4B-BS battery mod weights 2.1lbs instead of 4.6lbs so that's another 2.5lbs (or 1.1kgs) saved. If we're going to discuss weight savings in depth we really need to get out our scales because guessing weights of everything is pretty inaccurate. I'm pretty busy right now but someday I'll weigh my bike and all the parts I've put on/taken off to see the difference. Other potential weight savings mods include: - lowered seat. Maybe 1lbs? - Aluminum rims. Maybe 2-3lbs for both - Going to larger rims. Our stock tires weight 7-8lbs and 12" rims would weight more than 10" but you'd more than save that in rubber weight savings. - Fenders -> You can take probably 1lbs off your rear fender if you chop it as short as I did - Handlebars, the stock ones are quite heavy. Weight Additions: - Aftermarket shocks - with a way beefier coil you probably add 1lbs - Wheelbase extension kit = +0.5lbs
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Post by timberwolfmadcat on Aug 21, 2006 17:19:23 GMT -5
Wieght additions (Unless you have an Airshock that wieghs 500g
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Post by ZOOMER46 on Aug 22, 2006 16:01:03 GMT -5
i'm surprised kami :Dno did not yet suggest balloons ? or fill the frame with helium ? are the dio forks lighter does anyone know? and are disc brakes a weight saving too? i think we need to itemize each thing to see how much they weigh and what they can be changed for. i would guess dans waife like bike is around 77kgs.
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Aug 26, 2006 18:51:20 GMT -5
Well, I did ride around once with a helium filled balloon tied to a belt loop... lost the bugger halfway home... poor thing.
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Post by rukusincalgary on Sept 11, 2006 18:05:26 GMT -5
I began the same procedures as everyone out there...I trimmed the rear fender (more for aesthetics), replaced the front light assembly with just two small fog lights. I shaved the tail light assembly and all signals and replaced with tiny, light LEDs. I even modified the speedo and signal indicator and mounted them on the battery box (which took a couple chunks out of the plastic box too!!).....But I then I thought about it - As I usually ride with with a pack to carry my lunch or minor equipment for work, my weight changes constantly. All it can take is one heavy book and a big lunch in your stomach and you've added on the weight of the front rack or the 3 lbs savings from an aftermarket exhaust..... I'm not trying to discourage creativty here, just using logic. I could see if one wore a light, racing suit and had a big bowel movement before a Ruckus excursion, noticing acceleration increase due to weight reduction may be beneficial.
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Post by Jasper on Sept 11, 2006 18:08:07 GMT -5
yup BUT now you still save those 3lbs from whwat you originally should have which makes you go faster than what you originally should have.........but man, don't get rid of too much lighting just for those few pounds coz lights do save lives....
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Sept 11, 2006 19:30:16 GMT -5
I've got it, you should just grab a skateboard or roller skates, and ride beside the ruckus. That'll make it plenty lighter...
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