suprtek
Ruckster
My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 26, 2006 20:22:58 GMT -5
Some of you may find this interesting. This was a project that has since run its course. It started as a pedal only trike that I ordered from a guy in San Diego that makes them in his garage. I made many modifications including gearing upgrades and the cargo box. If I would have stopped there everything would have been fine. (famous last words ) One day I stumbled across these motor kits on the internet that were designed to be installed on bicycles. So naturally I decided to find a way to install one on my trike. I had to modify the frame and fabricate a steel bracket to mount the motor. After a several hours of fabrication and assembly, I actually got the thing to work. This was an 80cc two-cycle motor. I was surprised at the power it had. I was able to get it up to around 40mph! As you've probably figured out by now, there were a few problems. The first was a serious lack of braking power. All it had was a single caliper brake on the rear wheel. None on the two front wheels. This was fine when it was pedal power only but with the high speed and the additional weight of the motor and cargo it took a dangerously long time to get it stopped. I added a second caliper brake assembly to the same wheel. All I succeeded in doing was making it really easy to lock up the rear wheel. It still did not stop very quickly at all. Due to the construction of the frame and front wheels, the only way to add front brakes would have been to buy some very expensive front hubs that would allow disk brakes. The second problem was even more serious. Stability at speed. I intentionally bought a trike with a high center of gravity so I could sit upright for comfort. This machine accomplished that extremely well. However, at the expense of stability. With a little practice, it was fairly easy to control with pedal power. At 40 mph it developed a nasty wobble that resulted in a pretty ugly wipe out. I ended up air born and crashing into a ditch. Because of the design, I just flew off the front of it and tumbled a few times. The only injury I ended up with was on my calf from catching it on a pedal as I flew off. I have since removed the motor and converted it back to a pedal only machine. (And repaired the damage from the wreck of course) I still enjoy riding it with my family on many of the local bike trails. The motor project was a fun experience and other than the bumps and bruises I'm glad I did it.
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jun 26, 2006 20:31:47 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by tedsmini on Jun 26, 2006 21:46:00 GMT -5
I love trikes and I think you did a great job. Sometimes more is better but I guess that not so little 2 stroke was just too much. I had a cobra trike with a 289 ford V8 with a C-6 auto trans. It has giant wheels on the back and a car tire on a chrome spoked rim on the harley old hydra glide front end. It had Cougar drum brakes on the rear and Lockheed Airhart dual front discs. It would stop after a while. The master cylinder wasn't beefy enough to stop the idling engine with heavy torque converter from creeping into intersections. Fabricated a japanese master cylinder with a adjustable proportioning valve and after much playing with the adjustments I no longer had to shift to neutral at stops. I never cured the heating problem as it had a short fat 5 tube cooler in the rear for style. The tech guys as boss hoss figured it takes a full size radiator out in the wind with push and pull huge electric fans. The frame design on the cobra trike would not allow for this type of mount. I sold it for what I had in it which is not the case as with most of my other hot rod adventures. You've got the spirt and the talent, never give up
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suprtek
Ruckster
My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 27, 2006 15:46:22 GMT -5
Thanks Ted. My intent with this machine was to build a fun, economical commuter vehicle. I did manage to get back and forth to work on it once. It was just the wrong vehicle for that kind of speed. But like I said, its still a blast to ride even if I do have to pedal it. Its so comfortable I can out last my kids on long rides. Its actually called a Tricruiser. You can get more info about them at www.americruiser.com if your interested. The guy that makes them doesn't build them with 26" rear wheels anymore so I was able to get a deal on a demo unit he still had. I've always had this dream of building a vehicle with a motorcycle rear drive section and a small car front end. I know its been done before but I like the concept and think I could build one cheaper than I could buy one. Maybe one of these days if I still have my health when I'm done raising kids.....
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Post by tedsmini on Jun 27, 2006 16:37:24 GMT -5
What you need to find is one of these. Had fun with this for about 10yrs. It's called a TriHawk and was built in Ca.
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suprtek
Ruckster
My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 27, 2006 17:07:53 GMT -5
That's definitely a cool vehicle, but for me half the fun would be building it myself. I don't think I would enjoy it quite as much otherwise. It would also be very cool to know it would be one of a kind even if it is less refined. I'm still interested in learning about any vehicles of this type to get more ideas though.
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Post by chanito on Jun 27, 2006 19:48:46 GMT -5
:)I wanted to buy a trike called a banana once, it was similar to that but it was one small wheel in front and two in the back, they rent those in some places, one day i might buy one. For motorized one my favorite is still the Messerschmitt from the fifties, Elvis use to own one
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suprtek
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My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 27, 2006 20:14:19 GMT -5
:)I wanted to buy a trike called a banana once, it was similar to that but it was one small wheel in front and two in the back, they rent those in some places, one day i might buy one. For motorized one my favorite is still the Messerschmitt from the fifties, Elvis use to own one You ought to built build your own and combine them. You could call it the "Banana-Schmitt".
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Post by chanito on Jun 27, 2006 20:26:25 GMT -5
that is a great idea ;D ;D two thumbs up!
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jun 27, 2006 22:53:04 GMT -5
You ought to built build your own and combine them. You could call it the "Banana-Schmitt". I think I had one of those the other day.
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Post by mountaindog on Jun 28, 2006 10:44:06 GMT -5
What a cool story! I must say you do look a little exposed up front the way you are. I could see some trouble even at lower speeds if you were to hit a bad bump. I wonder if it would have been more stable if you had extended the wheel base further forward? I am no engineer - just a thought.
Cheers!
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suprtek
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My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 28, 2006 15:51:52 GMT -5
I agree about the danger of being exposed. Extending the frame would result in a strength issue due to the fact that the entire frame is constructed of aluminum with the exception of the rear swing arm. I still think the high center of gravity is the biggest problem. Those are just the kinds of things you run into when you try to make a vehicle do something it wasn't designed to do. I don't want to talk badly about this machine though because it performs extremely well when used as a recreational pedal vehicle. As I said before, I don't regret the experience. Actually, I don't even regret the fact that it failed because that is what led me to buy my Ruckus! I still have the motor hanging on the wall in my workshop. It keeps staring at me begging to be part of another project.
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Post by tedsmini on Jun 28, 2006 17:03:34 GMT -5
Suprtek: here is the listing I previously posted it's a list of just about all the three wheeled vehicles ever produced commercially, my TriHawk is even in there www.3wheelers.com/azlisting.html
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suprtek
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My wife thinks my Ruckus was a "sacrifice"!
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Post by suprtek on Jun 28, 2006 17:31:11 GMT -5
Great link Ted. Thanks. ;D Looks like I could surf for a long time checking all that stuff out.
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jun 28, 2006 22:35:39 GMT -5
Wonder if that engine would fit in a Tomos.
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