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Post by LisaLovesIt on Sept 16, 2004 16:26:41 GMT -5
I know some dealers in Virginia were originally selling the Ruckus without license, tags, registration, and such, believing it was moped legal like the rest of the 50cc scooters. I just learned today however, that the horsepower exceeds the moped standards, In other words… I have to get tags, registration and such in Virginia. This sucks!!! That was a big part of the appeal of a 50cc. 
Well at least I can make modifications to speed it up and not have to concern that it is no longer moped legal.... because it never was to begin with.
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Post by nicad on Sept 16, 2004 22:20:20 GMT -5
I recently got pulled over by police and was given a ticket for not having a motorcycle endorsement. It seems that the there is a grey area in most state codes that does not completely specify what is and waht isn't a moped. I plan on going to court and fighting this ticket, because i do believe it meets at least 2/3 of the requirements to be a moped, and it sure dosn't fit into the scooter/motorcycle catagory.
Im going to keep all the codes in my wallet so from now on when a cop pulls me over, i'll give him a nice lesson about mopeds.
-Ian
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Post by abe on Sept 17, 2004 6:09:09 GMT -5
You can get out of tickets by knowing the law. Just remember to smile  You may not want to call the Ruckus a moped... It may get the wrong idea and start seizing it's piston and braking all the time. |
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Post by peshkabz on Sept 17, 2004 12:53:25 GMT -5
Nicad - don't you live here in Washington state? I used to think - I was told - that if the speedometer went over 30 mph, you needed an endorsement. What did the person pull you over for?!  |
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Post by LisaLovesIt on Sept 17, 2004 15:16:31 GMT -5
The Virginia DMV states a moped is:
"a bicycle-like device with pedals and a helper motor that is rated at no more than two brake horsepower and that produces speeds up to a maximum of 30 miles per hour
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a motorcycle with an engine displacement of 50 cubic centimeters or less and a maximum speed of less than 30 miles per hour."
..... A Metropolitan will go over 30mph too but dealers can sell those as moped legal. What am I missing here? I don't want to get slammed on "13 charges" as a dealer said you can if your Ruckus isn't registered as a motorcycle. They could only get me on 11 because I have a helmet and a motorcycle license BUT STILL eleven is a lot.
I guess if I get one I will need to suck it up and comply. 
Abe, that was a pretty funny comment. I always enjoy your wit.[/size]
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Post by LisaLovesIt on Sept 17, 2004 15:22:06 GMT -5
Oh yea, good luck in court nicad. I would love to hear how it goes.[/size]
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Sept 17, 2004 23:08:31 GMT -5
Honda sells a second Metropolitan (creatively called the Metropolitan II) that is moped legal... I guess it's restricted or something.
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Post by nicad on Sept 18, 2004 2:45:37 GMT -5
being able to go 30 and the speedomiter being able to go further than 30 are completely different things. They cannot use that against you in court. They can however use the engine size as well as brake horse power. In the washington state codes, a moped has to have pedals that will enable the vehicle to move! seems as though washington needs to update those laws, becuase the last time i seen one of those was 15 years ago? heh!
-Ian
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Post by tedsmini on Sept 18, 2004 15:43:44 GMT -5
Nicad: when I was looking into becoming a dlr for the Whizzer retro moped I was informed by DOL that to legally go on any city street or hwy the machine has to be capable of 35MPH, so that was the end of my plans. Moped in WA can only(according to DOL)be used on private lands/roads campgrounds etc. ;Dtedsmini, Gary in WA
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Post by nicad on Sept 19, 2004 1:54:47 GMT -5
damn, but one of the things im wondering is, can you use the ruckus on a scooter/motorcylce endorsement test?
-Ian
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Post by LisaLovesIt on Sept 19, 2004 18:10:23 GMT -5
I am certain you can take the test on the Ruckus since it has to be registered as a motorcycle. It will be easy as hell for you since it is a small bike as far as motorcycles go and you are already very experienced on the Ruckus. I wouldn't want to do those tight turns on a Goldwing. And maybe it will help in court if you at least have this taken care of before you go.
In your heart you really believed you didn't have to register the Ruckus. The judge should be able to see that and see your efforts since to comply. Good luck!
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Post by Damien on Sept 19, 2004 20:53:37 GMT -5
Hi there, Here in my province (Quebec), the Ruckus is registered as a scooter/moped if it can meet these: - A vehicule of 2 or 3 wheels, - A motor of no more than 50cc, - Operated with an automatic transmission. If those three definitions are not applied, it is no longer a scooter and has to be registered as a motorcycle. About using a small engine sized motorcycle to go pass a driving test, I hardly recommend it: they take into account which category of engine size you used and they will only permit you to drive those later on. So a 50 cc motorcycle to pass a test will only let you use a motorcyle of 125cc or less. Other categories are 400cc (below or over). So you might want to check your laws... I know I do... it's my job! |
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Post by nicad on Sept 20, 2004 4:02:06 GMT -5
Nicad: when I was looking into becoming a dlr for the Whizzer retro moped I was informed by DOL that to legally go on any city street or hwy the machine has to be capable of 35MPH, so that was the end of my plans. Moped in WA can only(according to DOL)be used on private lands/roads campgrounds etc. ;Dtedsmini, Gary in WA thanks for the info, i was just wondering where you looked the 35 mph law up? If i can't find out where this is writted in the revised code of WA. then I am not going to bring this to the judges attention. For now, im bringing in the motorcycle manuel for WA, printouts of the revised codes that adhere to moped and endorsement subject, and the fact that the officer did not have reason to pull me over. Other than the fact that my bike "looked like it had wheels that were too small." they need to stop harrasing me, and go after the cellphone zombies that drive SUV's to their job from their condos 3 miles away.  -Ian |
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Post by abe on Sept 22, 2004 6:49:31 GMT -5
They need to hassle you. You are having fun and that can't be tolerated, I think you need to be more realistic Nicad You should ride with a grimace, then they will think you are one of them. |
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Post by lolakey on Sept 22, 2004 10:35:20 GMT -5
I live in Texas and the law is similar to others I've read...under 50cc, under 30 mph, automatic and something else. I took the written part of the motorcycle test to get my license. I'm too scared to drive our Rebel, but the Ruckus...no problem. I want to get my motorcycle license using the Ruckus so I don't have to worry about it. Each state is probably different, so I'll probably just have to call the DPS (not DMV like every other freakin' state  ) to find out. |
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Post by nicad on Sept 22, 2004 11:05:36 GMT -5
They need to hassle you. You are having fun and that can't be tolerated, I think you need to be more realistic Nicad You should ride with a grimace, then they will think you are one of them. har har har.  -Ian |
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Post by abe on Sept 25, 2004 0:51:47 GMT -5
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