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Post by chanito on Jul 8, 2007 19:42:49 GMT -5
If every thing goes acording to plan those shiny pistons will be here June the 11 and i will send out as soon as i can by the 29 the 4 valve vertions will be here, so 970 head swap will be completed Also if you guys need, you can send me the bare block and i can have it machined and ready to reassambly for about 60 bucks plus shipping, to prevent machining problems by the way, chanito, since the price of your kit is 285 shipped, do you think we can do this in near future: i send you my bare block, you machine it, match it to the piston, and send it back to me, all for 340? since you can ship it all together, you'll save some on shipping.. plus i think it'll all fit into one flatrate priority box... If the block fits on the flat rate box sure, if not i wil have to ship it UPS so i will have to weight it to find the shipping, but it shopuld be no more than 10 dollars difference
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Post by sanjuro62guest on Jul 13, 2007 0:06:47 GMT -5
Found this on their site today: WISECO ZOOMER Bore up piston kit
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 13, 2007 14:37:55 GMT -5
Chanito Motorsports is taking over the world
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Post by chanito on Jul 13, 2007 17:44:30 GMT -5
Yes. i am so happy, we are the first performance item for the ruckus that is imported in Japan
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Post by Kami no Chiizu on Jul 13, 2007 19:24:47 GMT -5
Gnarly.
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Post by varroa on Jul 15, 2007 2:11:52 GMT -5
Yes. i am so happy, we are the first performance item for the ruckus that is imported in Japan and yet, jiang wayne's website keeps on informing new ruckers in capital letters that there is no big bore kits available for ruckus... what pisses me off is that they obviously say that to promote sales of other, minor mods to get a little bit of speed at a time. but that's not fair, imho. can anyone contact jiang wayne himself and tell him to fix the misleading info?
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Post by chanito on Jul 15, 2007 11:50:23 GMT -5
Well i do not know what else to do, one of the problems i had when i started this project is the amount of misinformation it was out there, they used to say that the ruckus engine was chromed and could not be machine, and BSS still states that is coated, it took me a while to get a used engine so i could find out the Truth, and is a cast-in cylinder, just like regular Honda car engines Fun thing is people still complain about what happens if the cylinder wears out, but Honda does not worry about it, as there is no oversize pistons from the factory, so if your stock engine wears out, a Big Bore is your only option Getting such a small piston required buying a forging mold (not cheap) so they can forged such a small piston, so now Wiseco and me depend on each other to make those pistons, and that is why the first run was so expensive, but lucky me both the 2 valve and the 4 valve use the same mold I doubt some one else will go to the trouble of making a forging mold for such a small run of pistons, and probably if i started this again i would not have done it either
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Post by varroa on Jul 15, 2007 12:24:24 GMT -5
I doubt some one else will go to the trouble of making a forging mold for such a small run of pistons, and probably if i started this again i would not have done it either do you mean it was more trouble for you than profit? like, it's not worth the headache? i have another question, though. how long does it take for the cylinder to wear out? what about if you have a big bore? and then, if you have a big bore, and it wear out, what are you supposed to do? buy a new crankcase? i know it's only $200 or so, but is that the way to go?
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Post by chanito on Jul 15, 2007 12:31:50 GMT -5
I estimated the crankcase with proper care should last at least 50k, i did the big bore kit on Katrina with the engine with over 3k miles and there was no noticeable wear, and if the crank case wear out you will need to get a new one
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Post by chanito on Jul 15, 2007 12:37:44 GMT -5
do you mean it was more trouble for you than profit? like, it's not worth the headache? It took me over a Year to get the money back, that i invested on this project, and for a while i was pulling my hair because it seemed i was never going to be able to sell them all, now on the second batch i am making a profit, but on the first, the investment was so hi, i only break even. But it is nice when you see your name along with a part you know you have make possible, specially when now is mention in the land of the ruckus, I just wish the trip would have being smoother
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 16, 2007 14:12:46 GMT -5
I doubt some one else will go to the trouble of making a forging mold for such a small run of pistons, and probably if i started this again i would not have done it either how long does it take for the cylinder to wear out? what about if you have a big bore? and then, if you have a big bore, and it wear out, what are you supposed to do? buy a new crankcase? i know it's only $200 or so, but is that the way to go? Yeah if it wears out you either have to buy a new case or toss in a bigger piston....thankfully our stock cases are really good and should last a very long time.
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 16, 2007 14:14:30 GMT -5
can anyone contact jiang wayne himself and tell him to fix the misleading info? I've contacted Jiang a few times about it....he replied by saying that perhaps someone has made a small run of pistons but there aren't any available from a major manufacturer. I guess that's true but his claim that there aren't any BB pistons still isn't.
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Post by varroa on Jul 16, 2007 18:03:32 GMT -5
I've contacted Jiang a few times about it....he replied by saying that perhaps someone has made a small run of pistons but there aren't any available from a major manufacturer. I guess that's true but his claim that there aren't any BB pistons still isn't. Exactly what I was thinking. If you make a claim like that, it should go "There are no big bore pistons available from a MAJOR manufacturer". IMHO, that's just low. But whatever. WE all know the truth
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Post by chanito on Jul 16, 2007 21:26:53 GMT -5
There is no bigger performance piston manufacturer than WISECO
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 17, 2007 10:19:46 GMT -5
I think Jiang is referring to the major scooter parts manufacturers like Malossi and Kitaco which put out the kits normally used in the scooter world. I also think he's justifying it by saying that's it's not a bolt on big bore kit like many scooters have because it requires getting your cylinder enlarged at a shop. I can understand them saying that there is no BB kit that is readily availble and easily bolts on but to say that one does not exist period does seem like a clear attempt to keep would be customers buying his less effective mods.
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Post by turbowagon on Jul 17, 2007 12:59:44 GMT -5
Why doesn't Chanito contact Jiang and sell him a batch of pistons to sell on his site? Profit for everyone involved.
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Post by chanito on Jul 17, 2007 19:10:24 GMT -5
Why doesn't Chanito contact Jiang and sell him a batch of pistons to sell on his site? Profit for everyone involved. Not really, they want a good deal and i can not give that yet, my profit is not high enough to give major rebates to stores
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Post by Dandy Dan on Jul 18, 2007 10:49:35 GMT -5
Jiang seems like a big fan of huge profit margins...if you sign up as a dealer they'll sell you stuff for up to 35% off retail and they're obviously making money on that so they likely mark stuff up 100% which would make this kit $550 + labour so they'd probably ding you $1000 which means everyone would just get it from IHAR.
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wonderslicer
Junior Ruckster
Ruckass sold me his wicked scoot so be nice to me ok
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Post by wonderslicer on Aug 9, 2007 22:30:14 GMT -5
Wayne's english isn't the best, and his shop is small (just him!), and has almost entirely 2 stroke parts stocked on the walls. There were a bunch of in-progress older 2 strokes and parts bikes around, and he seemed pretty preoccupied with repair and upgrade work.
I think he just doesnt have time to explain that you can't swap heads on the ruck as you can on older bumblebees. Also, since it's more of a cafe culture walk up place then an online source the prices are higher, and at the markup he uses no-ones going to take a chance through his storefront on a piston.
Also, Chanito, what's it like dealing with Tokyo parts? can you beg them to hire a translator already?!
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Post by chanito on Dec 20, 2007 23:04:34 GMT -5
I had an interesting day with this big bore stuff, so to calm myself down i read all this thread entirelly, and it was a fun read, there is a lot that has gone down since we started this project, maybe one day i can write a book about it
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