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Post by chanito on Sept 16, 2005 18:30:43 GMT -5
I finally got an answer from the Wiseco people, Vortex does not make a piston for our engine so our option is to have them (wiseco)custom make one for us, that should make our engines 65cc, the fun part is that they need a run of 50 pistons and that should take us into the 100-120 range for a set that include the piston, the rings the wrist pin and the circlips, i still need to get in touch with the people for the head gasket, but i will have a talk with them on Monday, so please help me with any question you want answered so i can make them on Monday, that way i will not forget to ask the good questions, sorry for not having been in the forum but i just had time to read the post, i should be able to post more on sunday, so give me as much feedback as you can ;D ;D
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angelis
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Post by angelis on Sept 16, 2005 20:47:37 GMT -5
-What kind of dish/chamber size will the pistons have? Basically, what kind of compression ratio are we looking at afterwards? I'd prefer higher compression. Even though you'd have to use higher octane gas to prevent pinging, the power increase would be nice. -Will the pistons be forged, hypereutectic, or cast? -What kind of finish is on the rings? Plain iron, chromemoly, or plasma-moly. -Pressed pin, or floating? -Made for stock rods? Or at least, stock length rods?
Eh, that's all I can think of right now.
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Post by ZoomZoom on Sept 16, 2005 21:54:31 GMT -5
Well I would like one but the I would like to know how much this might cost us canucks. Still interested eventhough.
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Post by ZoomZoom on Sept 16, 2005 22:01:28 GMT -5
Hey chanito! Did you get my email about a windshield from me? Sorry for being off topic here, but I just have to have one of them windscreen.
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Post by chanito on Sept 17, 2005 5:31:45 GMT -5
:)Thanks for the help, the question about the finish of the ring totally escaped me, the pistons would be forged, and made to fit the stock rods with floating pins, and thanks for the help, by the way i received you email about the windshield ;D Any more questions?
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Post by jrcanoe on Sept 17, 2005 7:44:46 GMT -5
I think it would be hard to get 50 people to comit before hand, allthough I think 50 would sell with alittle bit of time . If you can get 5 other people to invest 1,000$ I will too just so long as I get most of the money back eventually. Not looking to make a profit just want to part of an elite group of 50 who "would like to ride in zoomer which is not easily defeated by anyone"
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Doctavius
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Post by Doctavius on Sept 17, 2005 13:23:00 GMT -5
I definetely have clients that may be interested in purchasing these. Myself being one of them. PM me with more info about distribution.
Thanks Doc
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tygerfifteen
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Post by tygerfifteen on Sept 17, 2005 14:09:26 GMT -5
i'm down for 2 sets of pistons
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Post by aproy on Sept 17, 2005 14:43:06 GMT -5
you can count me in for at least 2 sets as well.
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Post by chanito on Sept 17, 2005 15:04:20 GMT -5
:)Thanks guys for the offer to buy, i still have to talk to the people that will make the new headgaskets, and i will have a telephone conversation with the wiseco people next week, i want your help so i can ask all the right questions regarding these pistons, once everything is agree on, the piston sets should be ready to be shipped in three to four weeks, sadly the people at powroll (the stroke people) have not answer me so i think we will have to scratch that idea for now. So far we can even make some sets for the four valve heads so we should cover the people in Europe and Japan (and hopefully us in the future) anyway i hope to have some more answers Monday night, keep those questions coming ;D ;D
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Post by skelly on Sept 17, 2005 18:40:50 GMT -5
I don't understand how just a piston is gonna take us to 65cc... Or is it stock stock with a bigger bore?
Who is making the cylinder if we need a bigger bore?
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Post by hadoq on Sept 18, 2005 4:45:40 GMT -5
I don't understand how just a piston is gonna take us to 65cc... Or is it stock stock with a bigger bore? Who is making the cylinder if we need a bigger bore? same question, dunno, it's probably related to the big bore kit you guys are working on. if there's a way to mount it on a PGM-FI zoomer I'll probably get one (or two), and that'd kick "edit profanity" if I could keep the 4 valves option ^^
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Post by chanito on Sept 18, 2005 6:55:42 GMT -5
Just to make thing clear, even though this is a easy replacement for the stock piston, this mod will require to take your engine apart and re bore your block to a bigger size bore and then install the bigger piston this way your engine will have a bigger displacement, so far this will require some down time for your scoot and obviously the piston and a set of gaskets which will have to be special made to compensate for the bigger bore, it would e nice if we can have a crate engine approach so that we can have engines built with the HO cams and the bigger bore ready to go, so it will be a matter of swapping engine, but i am kind of disappointed, i do not think we have enough interest to have this done
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kzuckus
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Post by kzuckus on Sept 18, 2005 9:15:35 GMT -5
How much for a crate engine in your opinion? How much and where would we get ours bored out? Since I would be doing this X2, me and the wife, I was just wondering.
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Post by lilruck on Sept 18, 2005 16:04:24 GMT -5
Do you think it would be worth it to just switch over to a 4 valve head when doimg this mod? What else besides the head and valves would us North American Rucks need to make the 2 valve to 4 valve swap?
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Post by hadoq on Sept 18, 2005 18:32:45 GMT -5
ok so we will have to get our cylinders rebored by ourselves, if I get this right ?
that's a job I could hardly get done, I thought you guys were working on a whole kit to sell on your shop, that way I would have kept the stock one to swap if needed for some reason.
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Post by chanito on Sept 18, 2005 20:01:29 GMT -5
Wow! easy there, it would be great to do the swap to a four valve head, but i got no idea about how to get one or the price of it. Hadoq i build CAR ENGINES for a living, but it is not my shop, i work for an Infiniti car dealership. The price of the bare block for a ruckus is over two hundred dollars, so you would still need the crank and rod plus the whole cyl head, the ruckus engine is just like the one in car, the sleeve is part of the block, so you have to send the block to a machine shop to have it bore to accept the oversize piston, i do not sell ruckus parts for a living nor do i work on then to support my family, i am just an owner like you who have some connections in the custom parts business because i use to work in professional car racing, and decided to find about a way to get more power from our engine and posted my findings here so we can share the info, but just for info a kit for an air cooled 50cc which also includes the cyl is about 500 dollars
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Post by lilruck on Sept 18, 2005 20:29:29 GMT -5
there is a place called Service Honda there site is servicehonda.com, anyways I called them and they told me they could order Honda parts for scooters and motorcycles that originated overseas, I wanted Dio forks then. They said it would be really easy with a vin# but it could be done just be model name.
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Post by chanito on Sept 19, 2005 5:45:02 GMT -5
;D Thanks for the info, lets find out the price of a complete four valve head
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Post by hadoq on Sept 19, 2005 7:00:01 GMT -5
Wow! easy there, it would be great to do the swap to a four valve head, but i got no idea about how to get one or the price of it. Hadoq i build CAR ENGINES for a living, but it is not my shop, i work for an Infiniti car dealership. The price of the bare block for a ruckus is over two hundred dollars, so you would still need the crank and rod plus the whole cyl head, the ruckus engine is just like the one in car, the sleeve is part of the block, so you have to send the block to a machine shop to have it bore to accept the oversize piston, i do not sell ruckus parts for a living nor do i work on then to support my family, i am just an owner like you who have some connections in the custom parts business because i use to work in professional car racing, and decided to find about a way to get more power from our engine and posted my findings here so we can share the info, but just for info a kit for an air cooled 50cc which also includes the cyl is about 500 dollars no worry mate, it only was a misunderstanding (english not being my native language), I thought you guys were running the BS store for living, don't take it bad, you fuys are doing a great work, no doubt about it. I too have my job (scooter parts) for living, and I couldn't easily get the cylinder rebored (I could potentially but it'd be too hard/pricey/long), so again it was a misunderstanding, accept my apologies on this.
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